EP3: Meta’s AR Glasses, OpenAI Voice Mode, Amazon AI Shopping Assistant, Spotify AI Playlists, Audible’s AI Narrators

In Episode 3 of AI With Friends, we’re diving headfirst into the week’s hottest AI trends! Join Marlon and Adrian as they break down Meta’s latest AR Glasses announcement and how it’s shaping the future of augmented reality. We’ll also dig into OpenAI’s groundbreaking Voice Mode—finally giving ChatGPT a voice of its own—and discuss the ripple effects this will have across industries. Next, we explore Spotify’s new AI-powered playlist feature, transforming how we experience music. Plus, Amazon is changing the audiobook game with AI narrators, and we share thoughts on TikTok’s surprising approach to AI integration (or lack thereof). Tune in for deep insights, practical takeaways, and plenty of laughs. You won’t want to miss this one!

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction
• 6:47 Meta’s AR Glasses: The Future of AR
• 16:10 OpenAI Voice Mode: ChatGPT’s New Powers
• 25:25 Spotify’s AI Playlist: Custom Music at Your Fingertips
• 35:00 Audible’s AI Narrators: The New Age of Audiobooks
• 45:15 Amazon’s AI Shopping Assistant, “Rufus”
• 53:55 Final Thoughts & Predictions w/ a Surprise Ending!

Transcript

Yo, yo, yo. Adrian, what's going on, my friend? Nothing much. Same old, same old. In the trenches, as usual. How you doing? In these streets and stuff. In these AI development streets. It's a lot in here. I'm doing great, man. How's your week, bro? Yeah, it's going good, man. Busy. I'm going to make a trip up to NY at the end of the week, so I'm happy about that. First time taking my son there. Nice. So it'll be a little father-son trip. So hopefully we can go ripping and running all around the city to his heart's content. Nice, nice, nice. Any designated food spots you guys going to tackle? Well, there's one food spot that I always go to. I meet my uncle there every time that I'm in New York. And I'm trying to think of the place's name. That's messed up. It's near Chelsea. It's like Latin food. Okay. So it's near Chelsea. What is this place called? I'm going to look it up, but we're going to probably go there. Hopefully meet my uncle there as well. But other than that, the request was a New York slice of pizza. I was there a couple months ago. I did an AI workshop. It was a week-long AI workshop there. My intent was to get a New York slice of pizza until I saw the line that you had to wait in. I was just too hungry and everything. I was like, you know what? Next time. You should never have to wait for a slice of New York. ever. Right. Right. And it was definitely a lot, which also to kind of like tell us that it could have been good, but it was also to in the piece of place was also like in the middle of Times Square. So I'm not sure if there's too much of a touristy place or anything to as well. And it's kind of like they got a hype around it, but I didn't get a chance to try it. And so, you know, next time stuff would definitely try it. Yeah. My favorite pizza in New York is probably Graziella's when I was there. um so for all the listeners if you get a chance to check that out that's a treat it's in brooklyn yeah I'm gonna check it out all right man we'll shoot man guys welcome in uh my name is marlon avery I am one of your hosts um so I am a self-taught software engineer uh that's lately coming in not late we'll a couple years ago dive into this ai world so I've been doing teaching building um iteration and everything. So everything from teaching organizations and governments how to implement artificial intelligence and then also to be in building solutions for clients too as well. We also too, man, we have one of our hosts, Sekou. He's out on a family emergency. So definitely, man, looking forward to Sekou for you to come back with. But also too, you know, happy to be able to kind of like show up for family and friends stuff during this challenging time and stuff for them. Adrian, man, go ahead and introduce yourself, my friend. For sure. For those that don't know, I'm Adrian, web developer extraordinaire. Now head of technology extraordinaire. You should put that as like a title and stuff. Yeah, that should definitely be a badge. The extraordinaire badge. Yeah. Head of technology at DistroNation. Currently building lots of fun things using AI to assist me and That's pretty much about it. Working on some cool stuff. This is a very exciting time in development in general. yeah you know with that man I am I was funny I was just having a conversation earlier um you know with some people and it's just like it's like the more you're in it the everyday something's new something's happening and it's just like I think the experience of such two you just kind of also realize that we're really on the ground floor of this thing um and so being able to build um and being able to you know put together you know product services trainings you know, those time period, it means just exhilarating. And so, you know, yeah, definitely a great time to be alive. So here. Yeah, it reminds me of the time reminds me of the movie Ready Player One. And if you haven't seen that movie, there is the whole metaverse. It's what the metaverse wishes that it was right now. Yeah. Yeah. However, The way that I feel is if we were to compare this to Ready Player One, it would be kind of in the trailer, kind of bootstrapping my systems together. They work well. Don't get it twisted. Yeah. Oh, thanks. My mic is catching the keyboard. Thank you. But the more money. and funding that you have to put into the pursuit of learning, developing, and working in AI, the better that you'll do. And it reminds me of the main villain in that movie, where he set up a corporation to basically take over or monopolize this social media network. It was executed pretty good in the movie. I'm sure the book is better. But it gives you the main idea what I'm talking about. They had all the latest stuff, all the latest technology because they had so much money and all the latest, all the highest stats in the game as well. You know, I did this yesterday. What's today, Thursday? Today, Wednesday. Oh, OK, cool. Yeah. So I did a podcast yesterday about. A friend of mine, Bobby, he's one of the early employees over at Twitter. And so he's an engineer himself. He started a podcast of, you know, a group of community called Tech Hustle. And so, you know, they invited me on and we were talking about basically kind of like some of the same thing. It was just like, you know, money being expensive right now, you know, from everything from, you know, interest rates and to be able to fund, I mean, to fundraise and, you know, employee salaries, all the different things like that. And it's like, you know, that's, it seems like that process is starting to come down, which also to now get you back into the place of innovation and, and, and large and wide innovation, you know? And so, you know, I think we're definitely about to see a spill of things or anything, especially to like on the hardware side of this world, you know, we're, I think we're about to see so many different new innovations and, you know, things, stuff that's coming and stuff into play. Yeah. If the money is cheap, we will see some innovations, but we'll also see the compulsory actions that we've seen before where, you know, if the company has money, they are willing to throw or, you know, venture capitalists have money access to cheap capital. They're willing to take more risks. And in that, they're willing to invest in more stinker products, as I call them. um so um we're gonna touch a little bit about um maybe what one of those stinker products could be um yeah all right so pick us off man uh let's let's jump into it uh at meta's uh connect uh conference mark zuckerberg announced a newer interface for a newer interface for the upcoming orion ar glasses he said this is a the wrist one device allows you to control glasses with gestures connecting your brain directly to the glasses. It's powered by a technology meta-acquired from a CTLR lab since I was nineteen and said these glasses will work with a wristband, a wireless puck, but they stop functioning if the puck is more than twelve feet away. Adrian, what's your thoughts, man? I know AR has been an exciting area for you too as well. What's your thoughts? Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think the investment in reducing the profile of the glasses is a wise one. Let's keep making them smaller. Let's keep making them usable. The number one complaint for a lot of, I would say all of the augmented reality VR products now is that they're too freaking huge. It's so big. I'm not going to, I'm not going to wear that on my face while I'm, you know, doing um work you know or anything like that because after a while my head's gonna get tired just holding up this um anvil of a product so um about five years ago I would say probably sure over five years ago now um there was another product um xreal it was called in real then It was a, I believe it was a Chinese product, but they debuted basically these AR glasses that connected to your phone and really slim profile, same profile as the Ray-Bans, the Meta Ray-Bans. But it had the capabilities of the kind of the Oculus Apple Vision, you know, with products that are, you know, that come out of, you know, third market or, you know, I don't even know what the name of it. is, but products that are developed overseas, you're going to typically get a home-built OS to go with it, like some kind of mod of Android. So it wasn't that exciting as far as the apps that were available. I think that with Facebook's investment in Orion, They're going to bring in their application suite and there'll be a lot more capabilities. The demo looks awesome. The demo looks awesome. But I'm reading the article and it says that it's too expensive to produce right now, which is interesting. We're talking about as we're talking about cheaper money. Yeah, that's what I gotta say about that. You know what's interesting? I just kind of put together my head. It definitely feels like the consumer is more lenient to, um, complications with software versus hardware. So meaning a simple and just a separate interface. And maybe that's the thing. It's just simple. But a separate interface. But it's not pretty to look at. It's not really enjoyable, whatever it may be. But a software in a website like Craigslist hasn't changed over years, but, you know, users have consistently, and I'm not even sure like what the number of stuff right now, but they consistently use it versus, I guess, something that impacts you, you know, that may be heavy on your face or, you know, ears. I think about the Dr. Dre beats, the ones, you know, the ones that like wrapped around your ear, um, like the wireless headphones, like those things were so heavy. I can, I can only wear them for like an hour. And I thought, I thought the audio was like really nice. You know, the music sounded great. And I could only wear them for like an hour. Cause like my ears and stuff and start, Hey, they start aching. And so, you know, uh, I, I wonder, you know, with things like Apple vision and, you know, like you said, too, with meta starting to try and make this world, um, And these glasses look more smaller and functional. I wonder if the features, the capabilities of a vision will the users and the consumers just kind of deal with it until, you know, it can kind of get to that place. Hmm. Hmm. You're touching on a sensitive topic here because what you're you're treading into dangerous waters. So I'm going to warn you because what you are maybe alluding to the previous thing that you said was the ongoing beef between hardware people and software people. You know, you know, if someone is a developer on hardware, I have known both types. I've known software developers and I've known people who write software that talk directly to hardware. Hardware types, people are very austere. That's where you get your neckbeards from. That's where you get your gilfoils in Silicon Valley from. They're going to be like what I build, you're going to eat your vegetables. We're not giving you animations. We're not giving you any frills. um you take this as is you know you're gonna eat it and you're gonna like it um but a lot of the time um people don't um a bad user interface will turn off a lot of people especially if um the destination is not doesn't have the content the juice isn't worth the squeeze um you know kind of getting through a poor a poorly um conceived interface um but for your craigslist example Let me see. Just a simple Google search result. Their global ranking has increased within the last three months to eighty four thousand and five. I don't know what that means or what that means among the general ranking of all websites. But, you know, it's still kicking. It's ranked category number twelve in e-commerce and shopping on similar web. Yeah. Wait, is Chris considered e-commerce? Yeah. I thought the whole definition of e-commerce was be able to do transactions through the actual platform. You know what? You have a point. You have a point. E-commerce and shopping. in the classified section. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's in more of a landing page for, yeah, you're right. Yeah. So, and also, also too, like with the, with the, with the device thing, I think like what you just said of like that, uh, that ego, that tone of like hardware versus software, you know, I would argue that this is potentially where like humane went wrong. You know, you know, my, the steel towards them, because I really thought they was like really owned or something with the AI pen, you know, but it's also like that thing of like, you know, it's, it's, Them and Rabbit, it's like, I thought that this was like two different worlds. And it seemed like they're starting to kind of like fall into the same pot. And so, you know, Humane just had an opportunity to really, really change you know, the dynamic of how we interact with multimodal, you know, interfaces, particularly through hardware. And, you know, I think, you know, call it investors, call it, you know, bad decision making, call it like rushing the product where it be. It's just like, man, it's just like they missed the mark. And I honestly don't think they missed the mark by that much. But I think they missed the mark. And, you know, it seems like now, you know, they're trying to do like a fire sale or get acquired or where it may be. And I'm telling you bro, like I'm telling you Apple in in about two years Or so Apple's gonna announce their own version is either. Oh, no, I got it What's what's the old Johnny Johnny I've Johnny Ive, remember they announced that he's working on a hardware device in partnership with OpenAI. And I can definitely see something like this and OpenAI announcing it. And then you'll be able to have like GPTs embedded into like your hardware device, your wearable device. And so whatever it be, if it's glasses, it's just watch, if it's like this pen, if it's a necklace or whatever it may be. And so you've been able to have that. And it's like, you know, the, the, the, the, the access to G, you know, GPUs and inferences of what they have. I mean, they can make it work. And, you know, we don't know what Johnny, I finished things working on, you know, you know, if you don't remember, you know, the, the, you know, the, the former like head of design and stuff over at Apple, And so we don't know what he's working on, but they did say he's working on a hardware device and everything in partnership with OpenAI. So we'll see. But I definitely can see something like this or a variation of this. And if it's Johnny Ive working on it, it's going to be phenomenal. If it's Johnny Ive working on it or Johnny Ivey, Johnny Ive working on it, we got to hear him out. We got to. It's hard for lightning to strike twice. I think that he had a crazy success with the Beats headphone. And it was something that was out of left field. Maybe other people weren't doing. If he's going into the AI world, there's a lot of other people in that soup. There's a lot of other people. So, you know, he's always been it seems like he's a forward thinker from what I know. Yeah, I mean, to be able to work at number one, to be able to work at Apple that long, especially especially during a time period where Steve Jobs was firing people in the elevator because he would ask them, why are you here? Why do you work at Apple? If he didn't like your answer, by the time you got back to your office, you were fired. So people were scared. I know someone who worked at Apple at that time, so he was telling me the story that people were scared to get on the elevator because they were scared they wasn't in the elevator with Steve Jobs. People were taking the stairs or just avoiding moving from their desk at all. Yeah, it's interesting. And also, too, man, speaking of OpenAI, You know, this is always one of our favorite companies to talk about. OpenAI is rolling out its new advanced voice mode to chat GPT pay users. Number one, I'm an individual, I can say fondly. It says, starting with those on the plus and teen side, enterprise education customers will get access next week. This update includes a design refresh now representing by a blue animated sphere and introduces five new voices. Arbor, maple, soul, spruce, and bale. It says, you might notice that these voices are nature thing, adding to your tease more nature feel. However, the voice called Sky has been removed due to its illegal issues with the actress Scarlett Johansson, who claimed it sounded too much like her. So, Adrian, man, you know, opening our voice mode is finally here. Man, what's your thoughts? Well, I think it's needed. I think the, have you ever heard, or did you ever see this one video that went like semi-viral and it was someone's mom talking to Siri, asking it to find a Bruce Willis movie? I think she was actually looking for the movie Unbreakable. But so he recorded his mom talking into the phone and she was like, what is the Bruce Willis movie where he was really strong and there was Samuel Jackson in it? And and that went on for maybe three minutes. Her prompting her prompting Siri. And, you know, we know Siri ain't that great. So I know that given that. And eventually over time, people will get better. Like that was an extreme example. But eventually over time, I think that people will adapt to giving proper instruction more quickly using voice input, just as they've adapted to it using the text input. Even though it's a little bit difficult with the voice. You know, when I'm put on the spot, I sound more like that guy's mom than I do when I'm in chat. I'll be honest with you. so I'll be talking to like look I'm in between twenty first street and you know holland like where how do we you know it's gonna be really mandarin really mandarin on the spot you know yeah can I go ahead no um another thing and the animated spears how many of them do we need how many other of them do we need I mean those are from the voices like the yeah Yeah. I come from more of the hardware types. So I'm more a fan of the austere kind of like interface. Like I would like for, instead of that happening, my really, you could, I would be a happy camper if the screen went black and you got like a blinking cursor of thinking or something like that. Yeah. I know the it's, it's diversity for the voices. Um, you know, cause like, remember Siri did that too. Oh, Apple did that too as well. Like for a while it was just like the Apple voice. And then they introduced like a, like a British male voice and, you know, a couple other things. Um, and, For me, this is probably one of the things I've been waiting for the longest and I'm super excited about because I've been talking about what voice is going to do and how it's going to really move forward and change the industry in so many different areas. And so number one, this is the indication right here of advanced voice mode is I definitely see replacing Siri. it's hard to accept it to its world because Siri was such a groundbreaking NLP technology. We thought that like we were on our way, like we were on our way to, you know, kind of like, you know, living in this, you know, the future in this, you know, AI centric universe. And literally what Apple acquired Siri, what Apple acquired Siri a decade ago and stuff. And so, yeah. And, and just since then on the NLP side, it just hasn't made, you know, any extreme, you know, like leaps and, and, and, and even it may small increments and everything, but like it, it, from the day when we got serious to now, it hasn't been a lot of, you know, change. Um, and it's still even struggles with things like setting your calculator. I mean, I said, I was selling, setting your alarm, you know, and so it still struggles sometimes and stuff with that. And that could be, you know, everything from like, you could be having internal hardware issues, internet, um, you know, internet, uh, issues and things like that. And so you understand that, but this right here, man, you know, And it also, too, you know, now has like a long form, you know, aspect to the voice. And so being able to talk and communicate and stuff with it and have back and forth conversation and everything from, you know, rhyming to singing to dialect to, you know, different languages. You know, this right here is just really kind of where I think the. one of the foundation bricks of artificial intelligence, this roadmap that we have. I mean, voice is definitely one of those. Because now what this does for the everyday consumer, this allows individuals to start to kind of getting used to consistently hearing and engaging with AI voice models. And when you start to that process, it's just like, just, I mean, it's just a couple of years ago, you know, not too long ago, you know, it was, it was difficult for people to, you know, put Alexa in their homes, you know, and now you got Alexa in cars and the. The human behavior to be able to just ask a lot of questions and do things, I think is going to transfer in this area too as well. But this is going to maximize different areas because then when your dentist's office calls you with an AI model, it's not going to seem weird. You know, even when it has personal information of your birthday and, you know, things like that and verify your insurance, you know, it's not going to seem weird. Now, of course, there's implications, pros and cons and everything to doing such anything. But this really, really opens, you know, the world, you know, that we're going to start to see more integration of AI voice models, you know, across a staple. For sure. And what you said actually reminded me something that I read on Bloomberg a while ago about call center industry shaking in their boots right now. Oh, bro. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. Fuck, isn't it? Yeah, the organization we were talking to, the one that hired us to build the AFO agents, I mean, they said that they were looking to hire a call center. It was like a half million dollars for the year. like for the year. And they was like, yeah, absolutely not. Yeah, just no. And so, yeah, I mean, we're definitely, I mean, call centers, you know, that's a wrap. And that is absolutely done. And it's also too, at this point, it's only going to get simpler. Like, I see AI phone agents on a similar path of what website development was in the mid-nineties. know so like website development um it was very difficult a very small select of people and everything could build it and then it grew to a fact where you you can just have like wicks you know or you can have you know a a simple um website um that you can just kind of spin up and you know with bunch of different templates and support may be and that basically I put in the hands of your everyday business owner your everyday professional and I think that I think a similar process is going to happen um where maybe just like a you know drag and drop and you're inserting an AI phone agent to answer your calls for your business doing office hours and non-office hours and you give it directions, scripts, access to calendar and things like that and it just And then, you know, if it has an issue, it'll text you, you know, an error code or stuff like where it may be. And so I definitely see, you know, that that that path, you know, take taking, you know, that that path taking a similar journey. Yeah. The only my only request for phone systems over as long as I've been, you know, having to interact with them has been if you ask me for. my account number at the beginning of this conversation. And then you forward me to the actual representative. And he asked me again for my account number. Why? Where did it go? Where in the system did my account number go? yeah or or or even worse when you when you explain your your issue your problem and then they forward you to a manager or they get you know tech support on the call and they may ask you to go through re-explain the whole thing and you're like bro like you know and then it's like even more frustrating we gotta do that three or four times you're like you know what oh I don't you know just I'll let it do what it's doing. Just let it die. God forbid they forward you to someone else. You got to give them the same information all over again. Nothing is connected. Nothing is working. Yeah. That's ridiculously frustrating stuff for sure. In contrast, one more thing. The thing that we built for the doctor's office, the iPhone agent, just by the way it was built, it would not have that problem. Not only would it not have that problem, it will be able to transfer that data, um, and that information to, you know, do, um, you know, API confirmation calls and web hooks and stuff where they may be to your insurance companies to, um, you know, I, who there it is. I would argue. AI failing agents very soon will going back to, let's use the example of a doctor's office. You call and you're looking to book an appointment. And it goes through the questions of your name, your date of birth, what symptoms are you having, your insurance, all different things like that. OK, so step one is to basically retrieve and store client customer information. OK, cool. So step two is to confirm customer or client information. So it'll do that, confirm, date of birth, things like that. So stores all that. Man, now it needs to do the insurance process. OK, cool. In Webhook API call or whatever to the insurance company, it does that. It verifies that this person's insurance is there, verified, live. They're also in their network, and then it sends back information with things like copay. Okay, cool. Their appointment date is coming up. their appointment date is coming up and the day before or a couple hours for the AI phone agent calls the patient again and just wants to remind them that they have an appointment coming up. Okay, cool. Hey, and then it says, by the way, do you need a ride? Yes. Yes, actually, I do need a ride. Okay, cool. Would you like us to book you an Uber? The doctor's office has a ten percent discount rate or whatever it may be. Special code, you know, twenty dollars off your first ride, which allows to book your ride. Yes. OK. All right. So based off the address to have your ad, I want to confirm that your address is, you know, ABC Brian Street. And yes, you know, one, two, three, Brian Street. OK, yes, that is my address. OK, cool. Your appointment is at three p.m. OK, that's cool. So it's do you agree that I can send the Uber to you at two thirty? Yes, I do. Boom. Uber sent also two doctors off against notification that client is on the way. it can start the process of check-in. It can start the process of check-in. It can start the process of getting their medical records together, getting their pharmaceutical stuff and stuff ready. It can start the process and it can be all fully ready, autonomous, and just generate all on the base, on the backs of a iPhone H. That's huge, especially for the elderly. That's huge. And then also, too, with LA, you do a government funding program where it doesn't cost anything to the... Man, that's really big. It is big. I didn't fully realize what I just said. You do a government funding program where you get the government because even think about veterans and how challenging sometimes it can be just to get to the VA. um like literally you do a government for a program where the the ai phone agent calls the veterans to verify check-in information and then from there you can see if they need a ride but also too buddy right are they in a wheelchair so now you need to send a specific vehicle you know do you have a a adam support you know a support support dog okay now knows to send a dog a car and everything that you know allows us dogs so to it and everything it's just you You know, I don't know, by the way, my family's in town and you know, they, they want to kind of make sure that, okay, so that's four people can now know that it's in the Excel. Um, and so it's just like, you know, the building on the backs of the AI phone agent, man, it's just, it's going to change so much and it's going to automate things. It's going to make, you know, a lot of people's lives similar. And by the way to watch this, I've never mentioned, uh, the fact that by that time, or it definitely soon enough later, you also to a lot of these vehicles will be fully autonomous. Hmm. Yeah, we got a way to go. We have a way to go, but that's coming. It's totally it has no choice but to really keep improving because I think people see a lot of money in that. I would argue this. I would argue I would argue not at scale, but in a city a year away. Oh, yeah. In a city. San Francisco, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. san francisco new york you know myself one of those maximum a year I mean you could do this today you know with the proper uh with the proper um with the proper development you know with the with the proper um um you know uh legal aspects of it as well yeah you can do this today and so yeah yeah Yeah, you can. And the legality of it is really going to be the biggest hindrance. If there, you know, if there is one, I would think it would be most easy to have a wealthy. Remember how in the Robert Barron age, the railroad magnate would just like own a town. I think Korea is still like that with Samsung. I think Samsung owns infrastructure. I think something on that scale, if that was to happen in the US, would be fertile ground for a fully autonomous city. There's a company who does do that. Google and Netflix. They do speak. Yeah. Speak on that. What do you mean? Yeah. Google owns Google owns a percentage of like mounting view and stuff like where their headquarter is and everything. And then Netflix bought a large amount of real estate and they start building houses to houses and everything for rent and also to sectors of those houses where employees to live. And they started using those as incentives. um to get uh high um like high talent and so too especially if like people are moving um as well and so uh this is also it's not a new thing like this is like this is well this is well known during like the industrial revolution and so a lot of a lot of companies and stuff was doing that especially too as you have to like train and retrain and stuff a lot of individuals and people just move from different places in parts of the world. And so, um, companies start acquiring, um, like land and houses and things like that. Um, and so a lot of companies still like, uh, a lot of companies still have a lot of those things. And then banks started to kind of get involved. And then in kind of everything kind of got like reset it and stuff, if you will. And so it's not a new concept, but you know, there are some, there are some companies now who are doing it very, very low key. Hmm. Yeah. Okay. All right, all right, all right. Moving on. Talk about your voice. Spotify. Spotify announces AI playlist feature, which lets you create playlists based on written prompts. It says now available in the US, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand. So users can type in prompts like romantic playlist for a date night and get tailored selections of songs. You can refine your playlist by adding more prompts. And Spotify also offering suggestions to help with mixed genres, moods, and artists. It says this feature is still in beta, but already has success in the UK and Australia. Adrian, man, what's your thoughts? You got a AI powered or AI playlist feature from Spotify. Love it. Love it. That's exactly what I need. I think when you try it, when I'm trying to set the vibe. That's exactly what I need. My searches are very specific on music platforms. Give me an example. Give me an example. Definitely lo-fi chill with guitar or just highlighting specific instruments. So if we're trying to relax, you know, I will be like, all right, let's do like slow tempo. you know, I'll probably put in, um, cause you can put BPM in on, um, I know you can on YouTube music. Um, I'll put that in. Really? I don't, I didn't know that. Really? I think so. I think I've done that. Yeah. Uh, BPNs, uh, uh, beats per minute. Yeah. Yeah. Beats per minute. Um, so like put in very specific, um, vibe. Sometimes I'm like in a, know classical mood where I'll just want that on in the background um but anything that if I'm working some you know hunger down I'm getting work done if that if the music that I'm listening to isn't right I would rather just not listen to anything at all you know it's going to match with you know kind of a feeling and in the moment if it's rainy outside it's going to be different music than if it's sunny Okay, I'm going to create a scenario and I want you to act as my Spotify playlist and everything. Give me your go-to song. The scenario is you got a hard deadline. You may be pulling an all-nighter. It's raining outside. You got a bunch of code to do and also to a presentation to create to as well. And you just had your first of three energy drinks. what is your what's your go-to song to get through this time or a few songs playing one more night by phil collins give me one more night that's what I'm playing it's a steady song you can put that on repeat man flying oh man that's hilarious yeah if I have stuff done I like a like a steady kind of even slower music um I can just I can just um go ham if I have um just that that kind of vibe. So just one more night for sure. Bill Collins is my representative. That is hilariously accurate. I would not have thought of that whatsoever. Yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah, I tell you what, man, this is going to be, I think this is going to be a success. The reason too, you know, I think the reason too, man, this is going to be a success, you know, is also too, because like That process of understanding text, in this example, understanding lyrics, that process is literally how embedding works. um and so being able to collect um measure and identify and then it vectorizes you know these lyrics um so you can get responses like you said with just a prompt of you know you know date night like that and so Once you start, especially too, it's going to be very similar to like, you know, kind of how already things so far, like once you start going through those songs and you start liking things, it's going to sort of remember those and it's going to re-vectorize and match those with other songs and place them back attached to that prompt. you know, everything or several prompts or those categories and stuff where it'd be, I think it's going to work. Not anything. I know it's going to work. Cause it's literally just how like, you know, the fundamental of bedding and vectorizing and vectors and everything stuff work. And so, but then also too, man, just like for the, you know, your, your, your, your everyday consumer having, having this, you know, especially too, when you're like, when you're hosting a kickback, And, you know, one of the well, let me I'll speak for us. At Black Functions, with Black people, the playlist, it better be right. The music, it better be right. That could be your last time seeing us if the music is not right. And so being able to take the stress off you, especially if you're an individual where your thing may be hosting and cooking. And typically, you pass the aux. you passed the phone or anything to somebody else. Being able now to relieve that pressure, that'd be worth nine ninety-nine. That is tough, man. That's definitely worth it because I've been definitely sweating when I've been past the aux. I'm not good at that. I really appreciate um I'm telling you I'm telling you I'm good um I'm good with the getting things done music uh but with the the vibe music it's like the homina homina um but um you know having said that um you know I always feel like with all of these developments coming out um with this thing with spotify is one I work in music. There is just not enough hours in the day to develop everything that I want to develop. There's just not. And when you brought this up, before we started the podcast, I just thought about how just behind the ball sometimes that I feel, for instance, you know, I've been playing around with different hugging face models to feed the audio that I manage at Distro FM into in order to classify it, in order to pull different metadata from it, like a mood, genre, tempo, and things like that. If I had that, if there was enough hours in the day, I would be at the point now where I could have a language model talk to my database to, you know, really pull suggestions that are appropriate from text input. You know, you know, it's interesting to what you just said is if you were a company, if you were a record label, you know, if you are, you know, even like a techie DJ, you know, whatever it may be you know it's I think what's really interesting and the the the loving aspect of like you know how the embedding process works um it does it allows you to do this without having the need of metadata, you know? So typically, you know, you will have to have metadata to kind of go through this process and to categorize things and figure out the likeness of, I'm sorry, yeah, like the likeness to one song and so to another and, you know, how, you know if the user and stuff you know the if the user if the listener likes you know you know heavy rock um that has a low tone to it then their likelihood of liking this song because that's what the tag in the metadata says you know the it could be increased but now to strip that and remove that and go from a lyric standpoint and even to synthesize even to synthesize the description of the beats, music and stuff that's being played to as well, and then wrapped it into a whole vector and then allow that process to familiarize itself of like then getting the understanding of what the user really enjoys and what they enjoy doing a certain time period. Because I think also, too, that's a big one, too, as well, because sometimes the music that you listen to first thing in the morning after this music you listen to at three p.m and so you know being able to switch and stuff like you said if it's raining I'll listen to some mail that's from work focus on work I want to listen to something else you know from cooking I want to listen to something else and being able to switch in and out of that going back to just using a voice agent of saying, you know, Alexa, you know, I'm not sure if Siri's going to be around here, but Alexa, like whatever the models may be, hey, play me a playlist that's good for upbeat while I'm cooking. And then being able to get that, I think it's just going to be, you know, just remarkable. Playing hustling by hustling. you would cook the whole thanksgiving meal just for you yeah that song is playing oh man that's funny okay okay okay cool All right. Let's see here. Moving on with stuff here. All right. Snapchat. Snapchat has partnered with Google. So here we go. Snapchat is expanding its partnership with Google Cloud to power more advanced AI. And it's my AI chatbot. So now with Google Gemini AI, my AI can understand text, audio, images, and videos. For example, you can ask the chatbot, translate a street sign or find um the healthiest item on the menu uh snap originally launched my ai using open as chat to bt but this new partnership with google makes the chatbot smarter um and more interactive adrian thoughts all right so many thoughts about snap um so snap has uh seen the um You know, they're, I mean, they're well beyond the buzz of them really being the social network. And it seems like since they've fallen off of that pedestal, not to say that they've fallen off, but since they've been, you know, not occupying that pedestal, they've been reassuring us that they're innovating. They've got the snap glasses. They have... you know, all every time I turn around, they're coming out with something else. The snap glasses was another one, but they also have other features. I mean, they always get a keynote. They got a keynote somewhere that's that's a recent with this move. It's interesting for me and looking at the description of the. Of what the my AI chatbot is, it's like having chat GPT in your snapchat app um so there's some benefits to that but as snapchat is I'm sure playing the game of you know reassuring investors that they're innovating they're you know um as they're as they're doing that yeah that's a great point what's the sell Are you saying that these improvements, this integration with Google Gemini, is that what it was? Yeah. This integration with Google Gemini, which I'm guessing is going to involve some compensation Google Gemini's way. So to integrate with Google Gemini, you know, it's I'm pretty sure it's not free. So that's a cost. So as you're spending more money for chat GPT on Snapchat, how many more users is that going to bring in? Where is that? How is that going to equal the amount of investment that you're putting into that? Is that going to equal higher revenue for you? More user adoption, more engagement and things like that. One thing that was interesting about the bot is that it's one of the things that Snapchat doesn't delete. So it'll keep everything in your in your chat until you go in and remove it. You know, which is I mean, I understand, you know, everything in the chat window is there to be referenced by any for any questions that you may ask down the line. So it's good to have. But interesting at the same time. I can see this as like an attrition move. They're trying to keep people and stuff on the platform while they're on there or trying to bring people back. And so it's it's, I'm not gonna say it's overwhelming. It's, it's almost underwhelming, uh, as far as just like the integration of, you know, using Gemini or a chat to BT and stuff. And I get it, you know, but on the, on the, the simple tech side of things and just the simple chat bot of things, it's just like, eh, but I also, and I think I'm speaking from a, a, a point of view of like being a software engineer too, as well. So, you know, for us, you know, we may not be a target audience. And so it was maybe underwhelming for us, but you know, for, uh, know a fourteen year old individual it may be like extremely exciting and and I can see how both can cross uh I think the biggest opportunity for them though is the multi-model aspect and integration of the snapchat you know lenses or glasses wherever they call and I think that being able to you know build on top of models uh you know with gemini because they they have I mean, they have tons of data over there, so they should be able to train their models pretty accurately. And so I think the integration of those type of things and stuff within Snapchat models, I think that is probably where we want their big wins and stuff there, because Snapchat has done a well job, especially on... on the AR side of things and stuff with those glasses. And so, you know, they've done good jobs with that. And so, you know, I think this could definitely be, well, I think it's definitely be a good move and stuff for them, but also too, it goes back to what we talked about a few weeks ago of, you know, it seems like this landscape of, you know, artificial intelligence in the building on top of is more so focused on collaboration than competing. you know and so which is just a this is a new thing you know which is a new thing especially especially for the big players um so this is like more so the the world could collab and so versus the uh the competition so yeah you're absolutely right um it's a tough road to hoe if you're um if you're going solo um in the ai world um the collaboration is going to save you a lot of money and a lot of time um it's just something that is not easy to just throw put the team together and stand up yourself Yeah, I accept that. I struggle with the component of competition and competing, and then also, too, of IP. That's the topic around this whole thing, is IP. Yeah, I struggle to see how... maybe the win is no longer, maybe the goal is no longer IP. Maybe that's been acquired through customer data in the last fifteen years with these social media platforms. And so maybe the the focus now is experience, maybe it's community. And, you know, IP is a IP is a second, third thought and stuff now, because I think the the the movement of collaboration IP can't be the focus. You know, ourself now. And so I think something has shifted. I'm not I'm not fully sure what what yet or anything with the big companies and, you know, the tech giants. And so but again, it goes back to, you know, these these large institutions are focusing on collaborations versus like building their own institutions. you know, internal, you know, tools, models and stuff where it may be. But like you said, it's difficult, especially to with the with the talent scarcity as well, because there's not a large amount of people who knows how to really build, you know, from ground up, you know, models. And then when you add on top of access to inference and GPUs, that even makes it even more challenging and difficult. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think Snapchat was really smart in a lot of ways. One is they have, and this is something that, you know, you and Sekou always hammer on, and that is the integration that Apple has with their software and hardware. So when an app comes out, you know it's going to be integrated with all of these Apple universe hardware, the Apple universe. And, um, you know, the snap universe, they have one too. I mean, they have a hardware device. So everything that they launch as far as, um, on their app, you have to be thinking and integration is coming down the line with their hardware device. So that's a really good point, um, about that, because that really goes into having, um, them LinkedIn or having their, the Snap, my AI communicate with Google Gemini, that's gonna be a voice conversation. potentially via your Snap Glasses. You know, it's interesting. It's interesting, too, because I think that also goes back to making my point on the competition side, because a company like Apple, they can take a bigger risk of competing, not competing, but of partnering because for them partnering in, let's say, for example, they decide to use OpenAI voice mode or so into the phones, into the applications, it's back into the Apple universe. What that does is that keeps people engaged in a whole universe inside the universe. Where somebody like Snapchat, your AI chatbot is not going to keep me on Snapchat because I can go do that same thing somewhere else. I can go use it on OpenAI. I can go use it with Microsoft. I can go hug your face and be on my own, whatever it may be. Like it's not going to keep me there. The Apple universe is what keeps me there. And so, you know, I think a company like Apple definitely benefits more on the collaboration side versus, you know, somebody like Snapchat, which is just it's an interesting thing. And also to say, like, you know, even like companies like like Amazon, you know, Amazon has their own network and universe of like tools and services that, you know, not only will we use consumers, but we use as developers, you know, to as well. And so they can take a larger, like a larger push on like a larger leap to, you know, partner with a tool and everything where they can kind of like push back or look at IP or secondary. But I don't think it's, I don't think Snapchat really has that big of a stronghold. Their universe is definitely smaller. Yeah, for sure. Also, too, what I just really thought about, which is very interesting, and maybe I need to do a Google search and stuff with this, but one company who I have not heard about that's integrating a bunch of like, you know, AI tools, TikTok. Yeah. Yeah. And I would argue right now, there's probably no bigger platform right now than TikTok. I mean, TikTok, I wouldn't say bigger, I would say popular. I think Facebook is still the, you know, the biggest platform, but I would say like popular. And so, you know, they've integrated a few things, but, you know, I would probably even appreciate not seeing them put a TikTok AI chat bot, you know, that can... who knows and everything. Cause it's just like, you know, there's at the, at my top of my head, I only see like any current use case and stuff for it. But, you know, they've been very quiet and stuff around that. I mean, they really kind of focused back on, you know, and they've integrated like some AR effects and, you know, they've integrated, you know, some things for stuff right now. They, they've created, they put like AI labels on top of content, you know, it's kind of like the, let the consumer, you know, and stuff. No. Um, and so um oh and then they also they have their own like they have their like their own voice kind of like their voice models as well where like you know when you put the caption it's like reading like what the person and stuff is saying and so yeah and so like maybe the focus up there but like going back to like that it's just like you know snapchat is just like this you know it's just it's this platform and it's a large platform but on the competing side and being able to build the brand and the universe and, you know, the network of Snapchat, I think this is one of those times where you, you know, you take a shot and you try to build, you know, your own versus collaborating just because, you know, what you can do with that, man, you can do elsewhere, which just doesn't make it. It doesn't, it doesn't lock me in. Yeah. I hear that for sure. Yeah. All right. We also just mentioned Amazon. So, Audible's Amazon audiobook platform is starting to use AI-generated voices based on professional narrators. It's a group of U.S. narrators will train AI's models with their voices, and they can improve the use of their AI-generated voices for specific audiobooks. Narrators will earn royalties for their books, create it, and create it with their synthetic voices. Adrian, thoughts? I think that's cool. Going back to the TikTok conversation, though, just one more thing. I think that the AI application on TikTok, I haven't gone through their creator tools. I've made maybe three TikTok videos, so I haven't really gone through their creator suite. One thing that would be great to see there is if they AI-assisted video editing. So that format looks like the kind of weird, wobbly, popular stuff that you see on TikTok. You know, every TikToker has it. There's a style to doing TikTok, a proper TikTok video. And I'm guessing that because of just what's on my feed, a lot of people kind of have the same format. And it'll be great to see AI used there on that side. You know, it's funny. I see, I don't, off the back, I don't see TikTok doing that. I see CapCut doing that. Oh, yeah. You know, CapCut, they partner. And so they do a lot of like, you know, they do a lot of they do a lot of like frameworks and they do a lot of like, I forget the word, but like a different, different framework, like video frameworks and everything where you basically just like drag and drop, you know, your video, your images and everything. And it kind of creates like this, you know, whole kind of like, uh, you know, thing. And so, so yeah, I definitely steroids. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Oh wait, uh, it's Capcom on. It is. It's on my bike dance, which is on by TikTok. Oh, there you go. Oh yeah. So yeah. Yeah. There you go. So yeah. I did not know that. Yeah, me neither. Did they acquire them at some point? We'll definitely see. Actually, in the next couple months, we're going to see what's going to happen with TikTok. If it's going to be banned, if it's going to stay around, if it's going to be forced to be acquired by a US-based company. We'll definitely see what happens in that world. Going back to the voice actors, I think that that is a good thing. Um, I like that. And I only say this because like, I know that there are a ton, like, from what I know of life of being like a voice actor and trying to get in, trying to get work, it's a struggle. It's really tough to land a gig, um, in general, uh, doing, uh, voice work. And a lot of people who are seasoned, trained, went to Juilliard, um, get a degree in voice acting. They've are having trouble, they have trouble getting jobs. So I think that this is a good opportunity for them to have a new revenue stream because a voice actor that is good beats the pants off of a celebrity voice actor, in my opinion. Someone who's really good at doing it can add so much more nuance from their formal training in Cambridge or Juilliard or wherever they studied from their formal training. It sounds amazing. There's, you know, like the guy who does Bender from Futurama. There are iconic voices out there. Iconic voices. Think about the Simpsons cast. People like that. Those voices definitely changed in the Simpsons. I can tell. I can hear it. Not as drastic as Rick and Morty's change. Oh my goodness. Oh my God. Throw that whole thing out. Almost. Good. I came across this guy on TikTok. He's a voice actor. And I don't know if I follow him or not, but I came across him. I follow voice actors on TikTok, yeah. He's doing these scenes with two characters. So my favorite one so far was Ultron talking to Vision in Marvel. Oh my God. Spot on. Spot on. And it was... It was nice. I'm going to send it to you. I'm going to send you my favorite too. My favorite is this other guy who does voice acting and he does Dragon Ball but he reads the dialogue like you would Shakespeare. And this guy is making, he makes the, I'm just like, wow, that is genius dialogue. And I never would have heard it if it, because it was through silly voices. It's through cartoon. You know what I mean? Yeah. But putting, putting his, his sauce on it, man, you know what I mean? Is that like, he will, he really brings home like how good the actual writing is in the, in the Dragon Ball series. This Vegeta monologue I'm going to send you was amazing. Bring it to you. With Amazon too, I think this is... I think this is good. Like you say, it gives some people, you know, to get income, you know, but also to, it also speeds up the time of like, we're just probably not going to need, you know, readers unless it's like, you know, unless it's, unless it's actually like the actual author. But even then, I mean, with the growth of things like Eleven Labs, you know, we're, you know, eventually to the author is not going to sit there either, you know, for X amount of hours to, you know, read that book. And so, but, uh, but I also too, like, it's interesting too, cause I reading, so, you know, Gary Vee has, you know, released a bunch of different books and, you know, I, I read, you know, go through his audio books, his experience of like all field audio books has been like really fun to engage with because he typically goes off script a lot while he's reading his audio books. and so it's awesome it's almost like it's like an audiobook slash podcast you know just like and he goes off that reminds me of dvd commentary back in the day do you remember that DVD commentary. You mean like the behind, not behind the scenes, but like the post credits? No, not even that. You can turn on, some DVDs will have, you can play it with the commenting. You can play it and then you have the director and the actors watching the movie and then commenting on the scenes. Yeah, like classic movies. I think me think I know lock stock and two smoking barrels back in the day had a commentary um had a commentary feature so you go to the dvd menu it was under like extras and then you can turn on dvd commentary and you can hear um which I wish they would do for music by the way I would love to listen to a kanye album and then hear his commentary You know what I mean? Have the option to hear his commentary. This is what I did here. This is what I was inspired by. That kind of supplemental content would be... That would pay for the album like I actually would because I would feel like I was getting more. That would be like oh man I really like that like that that can literally be and also too that can be a way for like the artist to kind of like get back some of like the you know the the money and stuff and like the income and stuff of it because like having yeah I really like that like playing an album and then you know once you get once you get an album you get a favorite album man and like you're listening to it for like days weeks of time and you know and stuff and so in the end being able to buy subscribe to a channel you know youtube channel to patreon to just like buying from the website where it be, um, the additional context of like, just like fair experience and thought process of what they did and what they was like thinking about as it goes, like, yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah. Cause like just the, the, the insight of the creator, you know, in, in that form of storytelling, like I, do you, do you remember, um, do you remember, um, it was like a producer's round table with all the Marvel Marvel producers, um, and um you know all the more producers there from you know from the iron mans to the guards of the galaxy um ryan coogler and stuff was there um and they had like a producer's round table and they were just talking about you know like just like their thought process and everything's bad and like I I that was where I really fell in love with ryan coogler And so, yeah, that same thing. I felt the same way when I used to listen to DVD commentary where I'm like, oh, this director is actually cool or that this actor is really funny. The super bad directory commentary like that super bad director commentary was epic. That's probably one of the most notorious ones that I know, because some things happened between the actors and, you know, the director that were just really caught on tape and left in the commentary was really great. know yeah uh for the kanye example I he could just leave the mic on like he could he could just be in wyoming and just have the mic on you know while everything is going on man and that would that would suffice I'm sure that it's just it's um wild enough to uh yeah pay for for sure yeah yeah for sure I mean that is an excellent idea um to be able to have that connection and that experience with your favorite artists, producer, you know, creator stuff like, you know, it's like a, it's like a behind the scenes plus, you know, type of model. And so being able to subscribe to that, you know, absolutely. For sure. And going back to the voice actors, too, recording an audio book is like I saw this interview with Neil Gaiman, who talked about he's the writer of the Sandman comic books and a lot of other things. And he talked about the how grueling it was recording an audio book. He recorded his audio book and he was like it was like my voice was given out like it was all day. know and a couple of I mean days to get that done yeah yeah you know you know it's interesting too like I could see I could see a world where like you you do you yourself do like the first three chapters and then allow you know the ai narrow way to do the rest You know, and so because maybe also to maybe you enjoy that process, but for somebody who like just can't stand that process. But, you know, it still gives the it still gives the listener access to like their voice, you know, so they feel like they are still like listening to like their favorite author or like whatever it be. And like, yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny, like this is like. going back to, and I don't want to, you know, whatever, going back to what you said about like with the music, you know, and being able to like hear your favorite artists and producer where it might be talk about, you know, their experience. Like I was, I, I tuned in when, um, um, when the Kendrick Lamar, Not Like Us, and when DJ Mustard was talking about the whole process. And he was talking about it for like two minutes. And he was talking about the process of just basically how he got Kendrick Lamar to take the beat. And he said literally for days and weeks at a time, he was just sending him beats every single day. every single day like every single day um and he said he didn't even know that that he accepted it he took it they weren't being and he said he didn't know until it it dropped on the radio yeah and he said basically his phone started blowing up and he said a bunch of people was texting him mustard on the beat muster beat muscle on the beat and he's like what are you talking about what's going on and then he played it on he said he was driving on a freeway he was about to crash because he was just going you know crazy but just like hearing that process And this is that's really interesting here in that process of like that journey or like what happens will be very intriguing. I definitely can see a world where like the creator. And it's also it's also like it's also kind of what we what we start to see now of like. You know, a day in the life of the CEO. know a day in the life of a software engineer you know at google you know um you know join me as I get ready to go to this award show like you know it's like that walking alone experience you know is definitely something that you know it feels like as humans that we connect to for sure for sure and every track would have its own story I'm sure Yeah, that'd be crazy. All right, cool. And last up, man, our friends over at Amazon. Amazon has launched its AR Power Shopping Assistant Rufus for all of you as customers in the Amazon app. It says Rufus helps with finding products, making comparison, and give recommendations. Soon, it will also feature ads based on your shopping experience and your search activity. So these sponsored ads are Amazon's way of improving, proving product discovery while also generating revenue. Adrian, man, I feel like we talked about this a few weeks ago. Certainly did. We knew it was coming, but also, too, we didn't know it was coming this fast. I was I was joking. was half joking of basically I can see a world where you start to have ads mid prompt and amazon just made it happen and so uh way ahead of you bro that's what they say way ahead of you bro we're listening way ahead we on that yep um you know everyone know like a lot of people know google search is broken it's been broken for like a while um I'm seeing things um on my um One of my favorite services is Appify. And I saw the other day the RAR. Talk about what Appify is real quick. Well, Appify is a platform in which you can run web scrapers and different kind of functions in the cloud, kind of like AWS Lambda. but really specialized. So AWS Lambda, you can run general code or you can run code in different languages. This one is like, no, we have code that you can run for Instagram. You can connect Instagram to it. You can do things directly on there. So I look in there in their marketplace and they have a lot of user contributed apps you can host there and monetize as well, which is very cool. They're one of the two platforms that I knew that does that. The other one is Rapid AI. I'm sorry, rapid API. The I saw that they have this. Let me see if I can find it real fast. What was it called? It was called a raw search or whatnot, but anyway it was a rag search. That's what it was. And basically it was a search. that you can use that instead of Google. And it would basically scrape the web pages from the top results and then summarize the information that you're looking for. So such tools like that are needed now possibly to kind of maybe distill through the hectic ads, amount of ads that you get when you're Google searching. You know what's funny? Yeah, go ahead. Can I go first? Yeah, Amazon doing that is great. Like we mentioned before with the playlisting in Spotify, having a natural language interface to search for things on Amazon would be excellent. My Amazon searches are specific as well. You know, I'm like, all right, here's one. I need a drop sleeve cable knit white sweater. You know? That's one that I'll put in there. Or I'm revealing too much of my personal style. But yeah, I'll put in very specific things there. So it's great. The results are pretty on the money of what you're looking for. Now, with the ads conversation that's when things start to get possibly a little little bit tricky possibly nefarious possibly you know making me worried a little bit yeah and that is um what if as you're interacting with this chat model it's just slowly directing you to sponsored products every time. It could be subtle. It could be subtle. Or it could be overt. If it's overt, people aren't going to, you know, be like, all right, cool. Okay. Look, I told you I'm not looking for type of bleach or whatever. I don't care how much you get paid. But, you know, if it's not, what if it's something that's subtle where all of a sudden you become, now you're like a hype beast. You weren't even a hype beast before. But then it just made you. It turns you into that. That's an excellent point. That's an excellent point because Amazon got in some trouble or got called out for unencumbering their own sellers. And so, you know, they were there, you know, you had these sellers and so who hopped on Amazon and then Amazon store introducing Amazon based products that were selling the same thing and sell same categories, but for lesser prices. And so they were undercutting their own market. And so, like you said, you know, this also, too, gives them the capability of, you know, as you're looking for, you know, that sweater, you you know the first thing it sends you is the amazon amazon basically you know amazon so you know amazon basic you know they're they're a sweater you know and that's not even you know and there were there may be watches there may be one that matches your description you know even more but they give you that into a second peer or like google the second page You know, like it's like everything, you know, things go to die on the second page, you know, and stuff. And so I think like for the user, this, this has, this has its pros and cons, you know, and stuff there. This definitely has its pros and cons. I think for the seller on Amazon, It comes back to a pay to play situation, but also to just because you're paying doesn't mean, you know, you're getting your fair share or you're getting, you know, your appropriate playing time placement. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You know, so, oh, placement. I love that. And so, yeah, like using that, it's now when you go into the stores, you know, people have paid to be at eye level on the shelves. But also, too, people are paid to be on the bottom as well. And so I think now we're about to start transitioning to a world in the ads in the intersection of. know prompt responses uh where it goes back to where on the shelf life do you want to be and you know unfortunately you know we all know that the big ones know typically have the bigger budgets you know to be at the eye level you know so and then when you're already competing you're competing with your own distributor um which is amazon walmart and even target internet to a degree um it's like you know yeah but look you I I just started something I just thought of something now The user interface actually batters a little bit this because you mentioned before we're just in the conversation of placement. Right. Um, if I, if you, if I ask you a question, right. And you hand me a brochure and you're like, yeah, it's on page five. I'm like, cool. There it is. If I ask you, I'm fine with that. If I ask you a question and it takes me five questions to get to what I want, we're fighting. Now it's a fight, you know, because now you're frustrating me. Like the having to re-ask a question, maybe the younger people will be wired, you know, better for that. But me, my patience runs thin past the second. If you don't answer me on the second time, I'm going to look elsewhere. You know, it's interesting, too, because it's like, then, ooh, here's an interesting one. How does Amazon incorporate pricing of ad placed prompts in a world where the consumer is not good at prompting sloppily that's how they that's that's that's uh my pessimistic viewpoint if the consumer is not good at prompting that makes it tough Yeah, the consumer is not good at prompting. So you show my ad. Is it a thing where like am I paying to just be show anything? Am I paying for the click? You know, if I'm paying just to appear, you know, you know, within the query. But the consumer itself, you know, is not really good at prompting because, you know. It gives like even right now, which I think he does a good job of, you know, covering the middle sections of what you're trying to say, what you're trying to get at. But even then, now we're talking about preference because how many times have you heard if how many times have you heard people say like, oh, it doesn't sound like me. It sounds too robotic. They're using the word delving again and something like that. And so that process is just all embedding. Now, that doesn't change too much when you start to insert products. We start to insert products because you're still pulling descriptions, titles, pricing, anything. And then you're just vectorizing all these things together. And then you're returning the likelihood of what they're looking for, you know. But again, going back to if they the consumer as of right now or this year is not good at, you know, it's not good at prompting itself. And as I said, it types in something they wear white T-shirt button. And you return a image of a white T-shirt with a with a button drawn on it, you know, as it. But what they really was thinking and what they wanted was, you know, a button down, you know, white shirt. Do you still charge the person, you know, or the business on that end to show their ad when it's when the user itself, you know, is just not good at prompting? Oh, you're right. You do. That's what Google does. You're dang right you charge them. Oh my God. Going through the motions with that. You ever bought some ads on Google, man? Yeah. That money is gone. You got less than a stack and you try to buy some, what's it called? AdSense, what's it called? Something? I forgot what Google's ad marketplace is. It's curving up all the way and you get charged for that. These are all no one converted. just had zero conversion and my money's gone right oh man that's funny um that's funny because you're so right too because it's like I try to run some facebook ass boy man that is That is not my expertise, nor my genius. Me neither, man. Clearly, the Russians are the only ones that really know how to do the Facebook ad. But going back to what you previously said about how are they going to know what's the accuracy, it depends on the training data. Or I think that that's a conversation about proper training. of the models because I'm I feel like if you speak the queen's english you will have the most success on right now on a voice uh ai tool um you'll come through most clearly and most you know probably understandable on the ai side um if you don't um the accuracy I feel may be off now this is just me speculating Um, but I'm all, I've been curious since day one about the data that is used to train, um, and how diverse the training data is, you know, every, you know, different, um, areas in the U S all have different dialects and it would be great to be able to seamlessly integrate with those. Um, and, and so that it can pull your intent, you know, no matter what way that you're speaking to it, um, you know, That makes me think about that, what you said about the accuracy. Yeah, I think the dialect thing is important, not only for the Amazon Shopping Assistant Rufus, but also, too, for the Audible AI narrators, too, as well. And so if a hardcore... Jamaican wants to or has written books and they want it to be for the Jamaican audience, still being able to have that translation, that heavy accent where Jamaicans know love and understand you know you should be able to do that on both both products or services um and so on the narration side and also to on the assistant side um but you I think you're I think your point is right too as well it's like kind of you know comes back into like the training data and and amazon has a lot of training data on searches and results of queries you know you know too as well I think it's just I think it's going to be something that's going to be figured out along the way of how they charge you know businesses individuals you know to have their you know their products and stuff placed into these you know into like into these prompts into you know into rufus And so I think it's going to be a process where it's going to be figured out. And like you said, you're dang all right. You know, you charge me a thousand dollars. All right. It don't matter if it was accurate or not. That is a dollar for that result. That's a dollar out of here. How much you funded this account, that's a dollar. It don't matter. A dollar and some change. You mentioned about the Jamaican or the different dialect. The Patois conversation has come up in some of my friend circles. Patois is one of the most beautiful dialects that I know. I love to hear it and I can't understand any of it. I can't understand it and I always want to speak it you know I always want to join in you know because they're like oh it's english it's just pronounced differently I'm like I don't sound like it but right um yeah uh I wish that there was a ai uh patois coach I'm gonna google that oh actually you know what's funny I wonder you know what we're about to try it right now I wonder if the uh advanced voice mode can speak patois You can try it now. Yep. All right, here we go. All right. Hello. Where is it loading? I think it's loading. All right. Hello. Hey there. How's it going? What's on your mind today? Doing great. Can you talk to me in a Jamaican Patois accent? We can chat about anything you want. Wagwan. Wagwan. Tell me a story. Tell me a story about artificial intelligence on the podcast in your Jamaican Patois accent. I'll tell you a story. One day on the podcast, we didn't reason about artificial intelligence and how it had changed the world. We chat about the way it has helped people in our business, medicine, and even in our daily life. The conversation is full of vibes and knowledge. Everybody turns up new that day. You understand? Beautiful, man. I appreciate it. Beautiful. Beautiful. That said, it had poor connection while doing so as well. Well, it came true. I was not expecting that. That's interesting. Okay, cool, man. Matter of fact, hold on. I want to... I'm about to bring him back up. Hey, can you close us out on our podcast? The host here is Marlon Avery, Adrian Green, and Sekou Douboumbe. I want you to close us out. The podcast name is AI with Friends. Today, we talked about meta announcing next gen Orion AR glasses. OpenAI Advanced Voice Model Rolls Out, Spotify AI Playlist Expands to the US, Snapchat Partners with Google for AI Chatbot, Amazon's AI Shopping Assistant Rufus, and Audible recruits actors to train audiobook generating AI narration voices. I want you to close us out the podcast in your Jamaican Patois accent. Let's wrap it up. Big ups for tuning in to AI with Friends. Avery, Adrian Green, and Seiko Dobumbwa. Today, we chat about better next-gen Orion AR glasses. OpenAI's new vice model. Spotify AI playlist in the U.S., Snapchat linking up with Google for them AI chatbot, Amazon's AI shopping assistant, and Audible using actors for training the audiobook AI narration. Respect. And we're going to link up again soon. One love. Bro, we're using it to some degree. That may be a mainstay. That may be a mainstay. Oh man. Okay. That's all right. So guys, man, we're, we're, we're all, we're out here. We just had our Jamaican, uh, podcast host closes out. I don't even, I can say anything, you know, after that, man. So definitely, if you want to follow us, definitely check it and stuff with us, man. My name is Ron neighbors. Our social stuff is there. I am Ron neighbor on all platforms. I'm Adrian. Hey, I'm infamous Adrian on Twitter. Marlon, it was a pleasure having me on. This one was funny. This one was like a lot of fun, man. But they've all been great. But yeah, Adrian, you can find me at Infamous Adrian on Twitter. www.adriangreen.xyz is my website. And that's pretty much it. We got Sekou, the wise one on TikTok and other platforms, man. So definitely, man. Sekou, man, our prayers are with you, bro. We love you, man. Looking forward for you to come back here too as well. All right, man. With that being said, we are out.